you did this whole series just for this one title didn't you?! i love kurt vonnegut, but don't remember this one for some reason.... i can finally look at this one, and enjoy.. those raw meats are a little hard to take... but you always are good at pushing and trying aren't you missy!

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(smile) I did this whole series just for this one (Slaughterhouse V)... I didn't "know" it at the begining, but I felt it's going there... I mean - I treated these poor goats much more as individuals or perhaps sort of "human beings"... I love animals too much! I believe they have feelings, and deserve their rights... I'm not against eating meat , but I'm definitely against hunting!...
I don't know kurt vonnegut... I guess I'll have to check it out...
thanks for the compliment I'm trying...

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ilil.

Hi ilil,
How can we kill animals with dignity in our industrial societies when even their breeding and their transport to the slaughter house is often awful itself? We need to eat animals. But why aren't we able to treat them like suffering beings in our so-called civilizated countries? But whithout taking them for human beings which they are not. The ethical question of the ‘murder’ laying behind this status done to the animals, is a difficult and very old question, I suppose. Ask Abraham, for example…
When I was schoolboy, our class visited our town's slaughterhouse. I never forgave some details and the ‘general atmosphere’… But even now, I still think that our teacher was right when he led us on to this this strange and hard place. He wanted to make us think of where do our food come from? How many people have seen a really slaughterhouse today? Sometimes, our world seems to be a huge slaughterhouse. Look at the world back and now…
If people cannot do the worst to the human beings, people do to the animals. Yes, it's banal but right to say that…

Well, you do a ‘nice’ image of something that is not. I understand your purpose, of course and the way to get it.

bye
gilbert

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I've have forgotten to say something above. This great slaughterhouse I've visited when I was a child, is now a cultural center and a Museum. It keeps its name, without any decency: The Slaughterhouses… I find this cultural marketing retraining obscene, outrageous. Some day, one will reprocess ancient jails whith their torture's rooms or even - my God! - concentration camps! Barbarousness has no memory and many faces too, and sometimes the face of the so-called art… And money is good to get wherever one can take. Maybe that's, at last, the fundamental ethics of our world. Well, I shall ask to the animals about this matter. But i'm affraid that animals or deads can't answer.

Hey, dear ilil, your photos and theme make me speak a lot. Sorry.

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Encore !

wow

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GOJA!!!!!!!!!!!

(smile) thank you!

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ilil.

hey gilbert!
in this series I tried to achieve the dichotomic feeling of "beauty" and "disturbance" at the same time...
when I saw the original pic. - my first reaction was "oh god! it's awful !!!... why do they keep the heads and the tails of the poor creatures???"... but later on, I thought I can use the "defect" as an "effect"... and bring the "good" out of the "bad"... I don't have the right words, sorry... but I hope it makes any sense...
we don't use (anymore) to see these sights here (no need to say slaughterhouses) - the whole animal hanged up at the butcher's shop... we use to buy our meat clean and nicely presented... so our conscience is "clean", but it doesn't change the fact, that these creatures were ALIVE few hours before... and I tried to resuscitate them in a way, at least in my vision...
I'm so glad that you've wrote all of these and told me your "story"... it means a lot, gilbert! and I agree with all that you said!
thanks!

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ilil.

Bonsoir ilil,

Thanks for your answer. I understand what you mean about the paradoxical use you do of the elements of this original pic.
You're very right when you're speaking about our ‘clean food’.
But, please, let me boring you a little while more.
Showing the heads and the tails is not crual, of course and very common all around the world. I've have seen that in North Africa, for example. And when you see them, all is already done. It's just a cultural difference.
So the question takes place before, of course. I mean that you take this particularity of this butcher's shop for to speak of all kind of cruelty. That's what I understand, in any case. But cruelty is perhaps not the major matter, too. In fact, you photo led us to ask the question of the existence of the suffering on the earth, doesn't it?
How a simple goat's head may hidden a metaphysical - and eternal- question. And i'm not speaking of the scapegoat…

The ‘candid’ gilbert

Spend a nice afternoon

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Death in the afternoon

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Bang bang, he shot me down / Bang bang, I hit the ground
Bang bang, that awful sound / Bang bang, my baby shot me down.